TML : I am a Malaysian from a middle class family. I have been following this issue on Kg Buah Pala and see the injustice that has happened to them. HJ : What injustice? The case is not closed yet. The Penang government is still looking for a way to settle this Gerakan-created problem without bankrupting the state. What if LGE settled it, will it still stand as an injustice (in your mind)?
TML : Well, then why did the PR state Exco on May 23, 2009 decided to claim the 50% premium thus overriding previous BN state’s exco’s ruling if the Developer agreed to settle it and allow them to demolish the place. If they are able to do this, then why not pursue an act to invalidate the fraudulent sale that took place by the previous state government? Where was the justice for the residents, when all the state government was interested was to seal the deal. The case was closed long time ago until it surfaced again recently. When did they ever try to settle this issue when the residents of Kg Buah Pala were living in fear?
TML : I didn’t even know about the existence of Kg Buah Pala and the trouble they were in until HINDRAF highlighted the whole issue and I am sure many Malaysians too. HJ : Hindraf espouses a few statements and you believed them? What Hindraf was trying to do is to merely politicize this issue primarily for their own benefit. You did not even know about the existence of Kg Buah Pala but yet you deem yourself an avenging heroine.
TML : No, I really don’t care much about what Hindraf does, but I took the trouble to understand the facts spending endless hours to find the truth. Whether Hindraf merely politicize for their own benefit is not my issue, but their action created the awareness on the sorrowful state of the residents. I don’t deem myself as anything but what I can contribute to ensure the truth survives for fellow Malaysian.
TML : There are many writeups by people from different parts of the society and when I see the comments written by Malaysians, I am actually shocked. HJ : Why are you shocked? Do you mean that comments made by Malaysians that do not conform to your personal view are “shocking”?
TML : I will ditto this to you, it does not matter whether it conforms to my liking but the shallowness in their thinking without researching the true facts to find the truth but allowing the spinmasters to dictate the matter when the truth is hidden and swayed away.
TML : Here, until about two weeks ago many did not even have an opinion until the whole thing was brought to light by HINDRAF and today everyone is a loyar buruk. HJ : Making assumptions now, are you? This issue was already being discussed more than two weeks ago and Hindraf took the opportunity to politicize it and it became national news. Loyar buruk? Look who is talking. Get your facts right before even attempting to criticize those whose views you do not like. And what has this issue got to do with lawyers?
TML : Yes factual assumption, because as you say this has been two years, but you contradict yourself because two years ago nobody spoke about it as vigorously as it is spoken today for the truth lies beneath it. I do have my facts in place nor do I criticize without having the truth in place. It was Suaran Keadilan that had build its story on assumption as all that had been is not factual, if you know what factual means.
TML : Some of the comments are so pathetic that it runs down on racial lines and condemns HINDRAF and even those residents of Kg Buah Pala of being selfish, arrogant and hostile against the state government. HJ : Do you seriously mean that Hindraf cannot ever be condemned? Racist? Ever read Hindraf’s 18-point Memorandum or did you not know of the existence of such a document? As for Kg Buah Pala’s hostile actions against the state government, isn’t that true and that did they not apologize to LGE for it?
TML : Never said this, yes read the memorandum. So what? that is a demand they made, let the people decide and how does this relate for the truth in the matter of Kg Buah Pala. We all can demand but can we all act, not a chance because if that was the case, Pakatan would be ruling the country. Why should anyone apologise if it is the truth you seek?
TML : For them it is either viewing HINDRAF as racist or jumping boat or the Kg Buah Pala people are so insignificant but never the fault of the beloved DAP government although the truth is the state government screwed up in this matter. HJ : Get your facts right! Hindraf was never part of Pakatan and Hindraf IS racist! The Gerakan government of Penang initiated this event. Why weren’t you crying foul when they did what they did? Selective memory or selective criticism?
TML : You are getting emotional here, the facts are in place but nobody bother to dig deep inside to find it. Yes we all know Gerakan screwed it up, that is why we made a change, but what good is the change as it boils down to the same all thing.
TML : Everything about Kg Buah Pala is revolved with an obsession that the state government never faulted in handling this matter but it is HINDRAF and Kg Buah Pala residents who are at fault for their own benefits and of course the previous government. HJ : Nobody ever said that, only you did. Like what you said, Hindraf highlighted this issue and caught your attention. Hindraf issued ultimatums (from overseas) and that’s correct? As for the previous government (who started it), aren’t they at fault? Selective memory again?
TML : Are you sure?, go and read your own articles. No sir, not selective memory but finding the truth rather than being another bigoted fool twisted around by spinmasters without a balance for the truth.
TML : I wonder how liberated is our mind in Malaysia when obsession with half truth overrides the truth and the inaction on the part of the government for the spin created by the Penang state government to sweep it under the carpet. HJ : (Told you that you should have concentrated on what your English teacher was teaching…) Half truths? What half truths? Care to specify? Or is this a case of “whatever Hindraf said is the absolute truth and whatever everybody else says are half-truths”?
TML : Sorry for my deficiency in grammar or vocabulary, maybe not up to your standard, but the truth has no barrier of language only what is the truth.
TML : Isn’t this the same thing that BN has been doing for the last 52 years and it appears the role has reversed itself in Penang with DAP? HJ : Gerakan, which is part of BN, initiated it and implemented it. DAP is trying to salvage it. Someone just got his passport back and somebody else wants to come home from exile. Get it? No…?
TML : How does someone get his passport back and someone wants to come home from exile equates to this ?. Hah!!! Assumption, well definitely not for you as it must be factual. Again go back to the facts if you care to do so at least for the Kg Buah Pala residents.
TML : Nobody seems to take the trouble to understand the truth but continue to make assumption that this must be because Lim Guan Eng says so. HJ : So, what’s the truth? Do you understand the truth? If you are reading this, I’d like your version of the truth.
TML : The truth is everyone is entitled to their opinion but not their own fictitious facts. In Malaysia the truth is naked but we cover it up to appease how it serves us.
TML : Lim Guan Eng must be the Mahathir of Penang, because for 22 years, nobody did anything about him nor questioned him and even if you were to do that you will be totally squashed or his spin masters will do the job for him. HJ : Nobody questioned him for 22 years about the conditions in Penang because he was not the CM then. That’s the difference. Comprendo? I disagree that one will be totally squashed if one were to question him now. If that was the case, there’ll be no more opposition in Penang and Hindraf would have ceased to exist now.
TML : I think it must be my phrasing of the sentence, again bad English, sorry for that. I meant that LGE is molding into one. It is only Penang, dear sir, even when the BN could not stop Hindraf for the truth, do you think LGE will be able to do it? When there is truth it will always prevail sooner or later.
TML : The latest spin by Suara Keadilan is a classic tale of the forgotten truth but a spin that is so biased and self reflective of the similar mold that resembles our very own BN. HJ : “Forgotten truth”? If the truth (as you said) was forgotten, then how can you remember? Or did you simply just accidentally found the truth under a rock? Big rock? Small rock? Medium sized rock?
TML : We all have been living in forgotten truth, it did not find me, but I made an attempt to understand the truth and then everything reveals itself.
TML : Sadly our Malaysians will continue to fall prey to this tactics when the truth is highlighted by HINDRAF on the plight of the Kg Buah Pala residents, they would rather blindly run into a conclusion without a thought for the truth but how rightful the mighty state government have been in playing the spinmaster’s role. HJ : You mentioned “forgotten truth” in the last paragraph. Now you tell us that Hindraf “knows” the truth and that we should accept blindly this “truth” as espoused by Hindraf. One question, “Did you and the members of Hindraf find the “truth” under a rock together?” Once again… Big rock? Small rock? Medium sized rock?
TML: I said highlight not “knows” the truth, that is why now after 15 months in power, police report is made, CM is ready to initiate actions to prevent the demolition, declassify the minutes of the Exco meetings, DCM meeting with residents and even the CM meeting with the residents. I wonder where all these actions for the last 15 months were.
TML : I guess we deserve the government that we chose. HJ : Yes, we do and how sad it must be for you that Hindraf is NOT the government.
TML : No it is not sad for me that Hindraf is not the government. What is sad for me is the changed government tries to hide itself from the truth when truth surfaces through HINDRAF.
TML : Sure, go ahead, I must be from the other side trying to stir the pot, being paid off, offered a position, maybe a Datukship, all for money even if I were to tell you that I am just a normal, average person who sees the truth. Malaysians “Mah”. So sure, so real, so correct always, never wrong, always just and fair just like Lim Guan Eng with the Kg Buah Pala residents. HJ : UMNO might be perceived as mindless but even they are not that foolish enough to offer you anything. Do you really believe that you deserve something? And here we go again about the “truth” that you alone are capable of seeing which is “forgotten”. Make up your mind! Is it forgotten or not? Can I see it please? Pretty Please??? I promise that after “seeing” it, I would not post it up on Youtube.
TML : Why is it so difficult to see that I am just a normal person giving my opinion and it is all perceived for an agenda. Can’t I just say what I need to say if I see the truth based on the facts, conduct and inaction rather than falling prey to the spinmasters.
All truths are easy to understand once it is discovered, but to get to that stage, it faces many obstacles and the point in discovering that the truth lies within the balance in us individually who actually seeks the truth.
15/07/09
TML : Well, then why did the PR state Exco on May 23, 2009 decided to claim the 50% premium thus overriding previous BN state’s exco’s ruling if the Developer agreed to settle it and allow them to demolish the place. If they are able to do this, then why not pursue an act to invalidate the fraudulent sale that took place by the previous state government? Where was the justice for the residents, when all the state government was interested was to seal the deal. The case was closed long time ago until it surfaced again recently. When did they ever try to settle this issue when the residents of Kg Buah Pala were living in fear?
TML : I didn’t even know about the existence of Kg Buah Pala and the trouble they were in until HINDRAF highlighted the whole issue and I am sure many Malaysians too. HJ : Hindraf espouses a few statements and you believed them? What Hindraf was trying to do is to merely politicize this issue primarily for their own benefit. You did not even know about the existence of Kg Buah Pala but yet you deem yourself an avenging heroine.
TML : No, I really don’t care much about what Hindraf does, but I took the trouble to understand the facts spending endless hours to find the truth. Whether Hindraf merely politicize for their own benefit is not my issue, but their action created the awareness on the sorrowful state of the residents. I don’t deem myself as anything but what I can contribute to ensure the truth survives for fellow Malaysian.
TML : There are many writeups by people from different parts of the society and when I see the comments written by Malaysians, I am actually shocked. HJ : Why are you shocked? Do you mean that comments made by Malaysians that do not conform to your personal view are “shocking”?
TML : I will ditto this to you, it does not matter whether it conforms to my liking but the shallowness in their thinking without researching the true facts to find the truth but allowing the spinmasters to dictate the matter when the truth is hidden and swayed away.
TML : Here, until about two weeks ago many did not even have an opinion until the whole thing was brought to light by HINDRAF and today everyone is a loyar buruk. HJ : Making assumptions now, are you? This issue was already being discussed more than two weeks ago and Hindraf took the opportunity to politicize it and it became national news. Loyar buruk? Look who is talking. Get your facts right before even attempting to criticize those whose views you do not like. And what has this issue got to do with lawyers?
TML : Yes factual assumption, because as you say this has been two years, but you contradict yourself because two years ago nobody spoke about it as vigorously as it is spoken today for the truth lies beneath it. I do have my facts in place nor do I criticize without having the truth in place. It was Suaran Keadilan that had build its story on assumption as all that had been is not factual, if you know what factual means.
TML : Some of the comments are so pathetic that it runs down on racial lines and condemns HINDRAF and even those residents of Kg Buah Pala of being selfish, arrogant and hostile against the state government. HJ : Do you seriously mean that Hindraf cannot ever be condemned? Racist? Ever read Hindraf’s 18-point Memorandum or did you not know of the existence of such a document? As for Kg Buah Pala’s hostile actions against the state government, isn’t that true and that did they not apologize to LGE for it?
TML : Never said this, yes read the memorandum. So what? that is a demand they made, let the people decide and how does this relate for the truth in the matter of Kg Buah Pala. We all can demand but can we all act, not a chance because if that was the case, Pakatan would be ruling the country. Why should anyone apologise if it is the truth you seek?
TML : For them it is either viewing HINDRAF as racist or jumping boat or the Kg Buah Pala people are so insignificant but never the fault of the beloved DAP government although the truth is the state government screwed up in this matter. HJ : Get your facts right! Hindraf was never part of Pakatan and Hindraf IS racist! The Gerakan government of Penang initiated this event. Why weren’t you crying foul when they did what they did? Selective memory or selective criticism?
TML : You are getting emotional here, the facts are in place but nobody bother to dig deep inside to find it. Yes we all know Gerakan screwed it up, that is why we made a change, but what good is the change as it boils down to the same all thing.
TML : Everything about Kg Buah Pala is revolved with an obsession that the state government never faulted in handling this matter but it is HINDRAF and Kg Buah Pala residents who are at fault for their own benefits and of course the previous government. HJ : Nobody ever said that, only you did. Like what you said, Hindraf highlighted this issue and caught your attention. Hindraf issued ultimatums (from overseas) and that’s correct? As for the previous government (who started it), aren’t they at fault? Selective memory again?
TML : Are you sure?, go and read your own articles. No sir, not selective memory but finding the truth rather than being another bigoted fool twisted around by spinmasters without a balance for the truth.
TML : I wonder how liberated is our mind in Malaysia when obsession with half truth overrides the truth and the inaction on the part of the government for the spin created by the Penang state government to sweep it under the carpet. HJ : (Told you that you should have concentrated on what your English teacher was teaching…) Half truths? What half truths? Care to specify? Or is this a case of “whatever Hindraf said is the absolute truth and whatever everybody else says are half-truths”?
TML : Sorry for my deficiency in grammar or vocabulary, maybe not up to your standard, but the truth has no barrier of language only what is the truth.
TML : Isn’t this the same thing that BN has been doing for the last 52 years and it appears the role has reversed itself in Penang with DAP? HJ : Gerakan, which is part of BN, initiated it and implemented it. DAP is trying to salvage it. Someone just got his passport back and somebody else wants to come home from exile. Get it? No…?
TML : How does someone get his passport back and someone wants to come home from exile equates to this ?. Hah!!! Assumption, well definitely not for you as it must be factual. Again go back to the facts if you care to do so at least for the Kg Buah Pala residents.
TML : Nobody seems to take the trouble to understand the truth but continue to make assumption that this must be because Lim Guan Eng says so. HJ : So, what’s the truth? Do you understand the truth? If you are reading this, I’d like your version of the truth.
TML : The truth is everyone is entitled to their opinion but not their own fictitious facts. In Malaysia the truth is naked but we cover it up to appease how it serves us.
TML : Lim Guan Eng must be the Mahathir of Penang, because for 22 years, nobody did anything about him nor questioned him and even if you were to do that you will be totally squashed or his spin masters will do the job for him. HJ : Nobody questioned him for 22 years about the conditions in Penang because he was not the CM then. That’s the difference. Comprendo? I disagree that one will be totally squashed if one were to question him now. If that was the case, there’ll be no more opposition in Penang and Hindraf would have ceased to exist now.
TML : I think it must be my phrasing of the sentence, again bad English, sorry for that. I meant that LGE is molding into one. It is only Penang, dear sir, even when the BN could not stop Hindraf for the truth, do you think LGE will be able to do it? When there is truth it will always prevail sooner or later.
TML : The latest spin by Suara Keadilan is a classic tale of the forgotten truth but a spin that is so biased and self reflective of the similar mold that resembles our very own BN. HJ : “Forgotten truth”? If the truth (as you said) was forgotten, then how can you remember? Or did you simply just accidentally found the truth under a rock? Big rock? Small rock? Medium sized rock?
TML : We all have been living in forgotten truth, it did not find me, but I made an attempt to understand the truth and then everything reveals itself.
TML : Sadly our Malaysians will continue to fall prey to this tactics when the truth is highlighted by HINDRAF on the plight of the Kg Buah Pala residents, they would rather blindly run into a conclusion without a thought for the truth but how rightful the mighty state government have been in playing the spinmaster’s role. HJ : You mentioned “forgotten truth” in the last paragraph. Now you tell us that Hindraf “knows” the truth and that we should accept blindly this “truth” as espoused by Hindraf. One question, “Did you and the members of Hindraf find the “truth” under a rock together?” Once again… Big rock? Small rock? Medium sized rock?
TML: I said highlight not “knows” the truth, that is why now after 15 months in power, police report is made, CM is ready to initiate actions to prevent the demolition, declassify the minutes of the Exco meetings, DCM meeting with residents and even the CM meeting with the residents. I wonder where all these actions for the last 15 months were.
TML : I guess we deserve the government that we chose. HJ : Yes, we do and how sad it must be for you that Hindraf is NOT the government.
TML : No it is not sad for me that Hindraf is not the government. What is sad for me is the changed government tries to hide itself from the truth when truth surfaces through HINDRAF.
TML : Sure, go ahead, I must be from the other side trying to stir the pot, being paid off, offered a position, maybe a Datukship, all for money even if I were to tell you that I am just a normal, average person who sees the truth. Malaysians “Mah”. So sure, so real, so correct always, never wrong, always just and fair just like Lim Guan Eng with the Kg Buah Pala residents. HJ : UMNO might be perceived as mindless but even they are not that foolish enough to offer you anything. Do you really believe that you deserve something? And here we go again about the “truth” that you alone are capable of seeing which is “forgotten”. Make up your mind! Is it forgotten or not? Can I see it please? Pretty Please??? I promise that after “seeing” it, I would not post it up on Youtube.
TML : Why is it so difficult to see that I am just a normal person giving my opinion and it is all perceived for an agenda. Can’t I just say what I need to say if I see the truth based on the facts, conduct and inaction rather than falling prey to the spinmasters.
All truths are easy to understand once it is discovered, but to get to that stage, it faces many obstacles and the point in discovering that the truth lies within the balance in us individually who actually seeks the truth.
15/07/09
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