![MALAYSIAN CIVIL SERVICE, RECRUITS, PROMOTIONS OF MALAYSIAN INDIANS & THE ACTUAL POPULATION OF MALAYSIAN INDIANS AND HINDUS (MALAYSIAKINI)...
Correcting the civil service racial imbalance.... Once more the government appears to be clueless and befuddled as to why the non-Malay young do not want to take up civil service jobs. Once more, there will be a taskforce and a high-level committee at work to produce yet another report on how to attract non-Malays to join the service. Once more the almost obligatory letters are appearing in the mainstream papers applauding the government (in this case) the Public Service Commission new chairman for his bold initiative in proposing a study “to nail down…the reasons for the poor number of applications from non-Bumiputeras for public and civil service jobs”.
Do we need more studies?
Come on, we already have a plethora of research and studies on the subject. We have more than enough figures and data showing that the severely racially imbalanced civil service is not a recent problem but one going back more than 30 years. Do we need some more studies?“Even the … office boys in those departments can see the unfairness [in promotions], and we have top civil servants wondering why. Please, just practice fairness and they (non-Malays) will come.”
Rampant racial discrimination
The most important reason why disparity in civil service participation amongst the races exists is the discrimination against non-Malays in recruitment and promotion exercises. This explains why the numbers applying have dropped dramatically. If there is going to be an uneven playing field and if others less qualified or less capable than you are promoted ahead of you – and this is perceived to be a standard practice – why stay in the job, even if it may be a well paying or secure one.
Factors of pride, dignity and self-respect also come into play which explains why non-Malays refuse to remain in the service even when they have a good position. After a few years of frustration and alienation with racially structured obstacles when they apply for promotion or other career opportunities, many see the writing on the wall and opt to strike out for the private sector or self employment even though they may have to make sacrifices.
This game of pretending not to know why non-Malay recruitment and enrolment is so low in the civil service has been going on for so long that many of its practitioners appear to believe their own fairy tales and prejudices about non-Malays being less patriotic (explaining their low enrolment in the military and police); or more grasping and calculating (hence, less attracted to teaching or other service occupations); etc.
Solution
Let’s do away with the pretense and acting dumb on this long-standing blot in our societal make up. The steps to ensure higher non-Malay (and East Malaysian bumiputera) participation in the civil service are simple:
Firstly, there must be a solemn declaration and promise by the prime minister and government that racial intake as well as all treatment after recruitment in the civil service will be fair and transparent and that racial or regional discrimination will not be tolerated.
Secondly, the Public Services Commission and Public Services Department must be a party to this declaration and should mainstream this declaration into all service manuals and directives. It is a fact that some of the major obstacles to making the civil service more racially representative comes from within the civil service itself.
Thirdly, all recruitment, appointment, promotion and other service related committees and boards should have full multi-racial representation. Inclusion of token non-Malays as we have seen in the past does not work.
Fourthly, a new civil service quota system – in this case specifically used as a temporary affirmative action tool to increase non-Malay numbers and reduce marginalization – should be formulated. This can be done in a way as to meet with the constitutional provisions providing for the special position of the Malays and bumiputera groups of Sabah and Sarawak. A 60-40 recruitment system would be relatively easy and painless to implement. It would guarantee Malay dominance but not over-dominance and help to bring about a gradual increase in the number and proportion of non-Malay civil servants in the country.
Finally, we need a civil service ombudsman to act on cases of racial discrimination within the service as well as to respond to allegations of racially biased policies and programmes.
Make or break the nation
It is a truism that the civil service can make or break a nation, more especially in the case of multiracial societies such as ours where neutral stake players are necessary to play a critical role in balancing complex and contentious racial demands.
Democratic norms call for a representative, impartial and neutral bureaucracy to ensure that public policies are responsive to the needs of all citizens in a fair and equitable fashion. A genuinely multi-racial civil service is also necessary to ensure that there is an absence of racial bias in the individual or collective manner in which civil servants formulate policies and conduct their work.
Unfortunately, we have moved away from these democratic norms for so long that nothing but a radical change in the mindsets and actions of our politicians and civil service elites can stop the rot. A mono-ethnic civil service – which is what we are fast moving towards – is the single biggest obstacle to the goal of 1Malaysia.
Comments: You do realize that it was BN policy for Malays to control all government apparatus from the Military to the police to the civil service. What you are suggesting will never be carried out because you are crazy Pendatang. This is what BN wants and what the ultra malay nationalist want too. Why would they ever allow non-malays into public organization which they consider Malay owned? PS: I am chinese, my parents, uncles and aunties are also government servants. The atmosphere in there is toxic. It all comes from the higher ups down. If you want more non-malays in the public sector, change the government. Cause BN and gang are actually happy that the civil service is 99% Malay. It is ketuanan Melayu.
If they are really interested in the non-malays in the civil service, why reject so many application from the non-malays. The non-malays also like to have pensions when they retired. In the private sector, there are no retirement benefits. Who will not want to be in civil service? Even medical fees, surgery and hospitalisation are all free. And those non-malays who have been many years in civil service and who performed well are not given promotion, but your subordinates who are of a certain race are given the promotions, so how would you feel. Before, she takes order from you, but now you take orders from her. To say that the private sectors pay higher salaries is also pure nonsense as I know many of my friends and relatives are earning pittance. Working in a hair saloon only get $800 a month, slightly better than a maid nowaday. Same with a clerk in the private sector. All these surveys are no used because it is not getting to those lower officers interviewing applicants. They will not look at non-bumi applications. They will just chuck it aside. The only way is for Govt. to specify and put a quotas on it to employ at least a 30% of non-bumis in the civil sectors.
KARANRAJ: Vast majority of the revenue of the government comes through various forms of taxes and the most of the tax payers in Malaysia are Chinese and then Indians. But the intake, training, upgrading, promotions of civil servants is based on Malays only. Even those not qualified are being recruited and even promoted to the rank of officers till directors even though it might be the non-Malays who taught them BUT still no promotions given to them till their retirement. It's very unfair practise as the best should be recruited and later on promoted UNLIKE now it is race based qualification.
More Indians in the civil service ....FMT ... Indians accounted for a little more than 5% of all appointees in the first eight months of 2012. The first eight months of 2012 saw a higher percentage of Indians appointed to the civil service, statistics from the Prime Minister’s Department indicated.
Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Koh Tsu Koon said that 1,173 Indians entered the civil service, accounting for 5.6% of the total appointments (20,796).
He added that this was 0.3% higher than the same period in 2011, which saw 1,191 Indians out of 22,556 Malaysians entering public service. Koh said this in a written reply to DAP-Batu Kawan MP P Ramasamy at Parliament. He, however, did not supply the current total of Indians working in the civil service.
Citing a Tamil daily Thinakural article, Ramasamy said the number of Indians enlisted in the public service appeared to be low.
He also asked what steps the federal government has taken to increase their numbers. Koh said that people taken into the public service were judged according to their merits, besides the number of job vacancies available. In an attempt to entice Indians, he said that the Public Service Commission (PSC): conducted engagement programmes with the Indian community, various NGOs and other means under the Prime Minister’s Department to reach the Indians. This was to encourage Indians to enrol in the public service;
held career promotions at public areas or schools and colleges;
broadcast crawlers about job recruitment possibilities at electronic media outlets; prepared frequently asked questions in the Tamil language on the PSC’s website; and advertised on the matter either on its website, or in various Malay, Tamil and Chinese newspapers.
Karanraj Sathianathan · Top Commenter · - at Ex-government employee · 936 subscribers
Actually it is a very good news for all stupid, brainless Indians who trust this! I say for 100% the PSD don't bother to even take 2% a year. Just last year our two coward, selfish ministers praised Najib being the best PM we ever had as he is giving ALL MIC asks. They told publicly the intake into 20 public IPTAs excluding UiTM and Mara Universities for 2011 was 9% the BEST ever a PM gave. BUT after investigating it was found to be 3.66% and this year it was 3.59% much less than our population of 7.3 to 7.4%. But MCA without boasting and lying got nearly 24% for Chinese students in 2011 and 1012. A government college which used to take in about 5% or more yearly of Indians, DROPPED TO LESS THAN 2% after the best PM Najib and DPM Muhyiddin took over the government.
This I took from a reliable source....Muhyiddin said to cut down number of Indian MPs on both sides, don't give them any jobs in civil service and just ignore them. In the GLC where I worked, Indians application letters would end up in rubbish bins and it even used a ploy to clear the number of Indians already working from civil service and GLC through VSS telling overstaffed. But 2 months later all these Indians jobs given to newly recruited Malays. There are a lot of lies and cheating going on but it seems most Indians don't bother to check first what the politicians saying is TRUE or FALSE. BUT our so called community leaders just take care of themselves and instead tell thousands of lies which many believe to be true. Real politicians won't boast about doing this and that BUT only empty ones make the most noise.
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Iwan Dani · Lancaster
Indians? I thought the Public Service is only reserved for Malaysians. Why are we employing Indians in the Malaysian Government?
Erwin Dani Abdul Muis · Kota Tinggi
u didn't know ah? we even got chinese in the military and police force. terrer meh.
Sarguna Raj Nadarajah · Top Commenter
Why only now? The 'Indians' were around well before independence. Banyak Sandiwara.
Ram Ramaya · Top Commenter · SMK Kulim
What I know taking indian staff in government on contract basis. This is another eyewash by BN govt.
Yap C Seng · Top Commenter
Look at the figures instead of percentage.
'..1,173 Indians entered the civil service, accounting for 5.6% of the total appointments (20,796). He added that this was 0.3% higher than the same period in 2011, which saw 1,191 Indians out of 22,556 Malaysians entering public service'. The numbers are actually LESS than the year before! Will Indians still vote for a lying, cheating BN who actually employ LESS Indians in the government service?
Albert Lee Wan Leong · Top Commenter · Victoria Institution
5% , are thesethe lowest ranking ones?
How many in top positions? I doubt the figures can encourage the non bumis. Hopefully after regime change, Pakatan can bring in more changes to the unproductive civil service.
Evangelion Chai · Top Commenter
When election is so near, macam2 type of candy is available to citizen. WTF!
Lim Kawi · Top Commenter · Gifu University
too many civil staff that don't have productivity as we has highest numbers in the world need to lay out thoase makan gaji buta.
Maxeemillian Sv · Top Commenter
many indian in civil service... so problem solved is it? Wayang kulit when election is nearing. more so when many indians are taken in on a contract basis.. some even with 1 year contract only.
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Scuderiazz Yogi · Top Commenter · Management & Science University... jangan nak wayang kulit,,,,,! aku menyampah ada lagi sistem kuota ni!
Manickam Nadeson · Top Commenter · Tapah
Why do Ramasamy refer to the Tamil daily, where is his own effectiveness to do a study and servey on the civil service recruitment of Indians , can he give the public the real figure how many Indians civil servents are in the Penang state. Let him clear the issue in Penang befoe he comment on the Federal government. He is trying to be a hero of Indians in Malaysia, Mr.Rama please stop divert the issue and blame others, first you clear your backyard, If Rama have the guts, let the Penang state government to recruit more Indians.
Sugumaran Krishnan · Subscribe · Top Commenter
1 Malaysia but ministry that holds better prospect is for certain race only, so is the contracts and businesses and projects are for cronies, they can steal corrupt and hide behind the veil of special rights, this has to be done away, divide and rule with instilling fear of the disaster May 13, is the dark side of history that further ruin this nation, it's time to share equally the economy all around.
Viilakanu Alagesan · Top Commenter · Klang
Hello all mulut Murai. Why only talk about Civil services. What about GLC etc? Even a Indonesian Airlines owner can appoint a Malaysian Indian as the CEO of the newly launched Malindo Budget Airlines. In Malaysia how many in the top post.
Yuen James · Subscribe · Top Commenter
one awhile. koh make speeches , announcments just to make his presence felt and earned his super perks. it better he earns it and just shut up. each time , he appeared remind me of bo ho durian!
Demudu Narasiah · Top Commenter · Universiti Malaya
5 years once intake and lower ranking posts? The same recruits will regret after 20 years in the service after majority of them practically not promoted!
Gurunathan Arumugham · Top Commenter · Shah Alam, Malaysia
Most Indians in civil service are in the lowest rank job like security guards, attendants, gardeners and janitors.
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Dhanyaraam Chinathamby Drsp · Subscribe · Top Commenter · Prime Minister of Malaysia atPrime Minister's Department, Malaysia
More Indians in civil service..sadly Indians in PR states admin decreasing day to day.
Worker of 1Malaysia .... Open letter to S. Subramaniam, Human Resource Minister
Dear Minister,
I am a citizen of Malaysia who pays my taxes and to date still paying my PTPTN loan for my education that I received locally. I recently joined CSC (a MNC based in Malaysia) as a Level 1 Technical Helpdesk. I work the night shift mostly just to qualify for the RM500 which is the night shift allowance.
Recently I was made to work on a 12 hour shift without even giving me the choice of accepting the 12 hour shift pattern. When I asked, I was told that the company had the right to place their employees in any shift they like as long as it does not cross the 48 hours work hours a week. Is this true? Don't the employees have a say in the number of work hours they choose to work for, as long as it is within the law?
When I first started work I was told by my employers that for the first 3 months of my service, my leaves earned will be frozen as I am still in probation. During the recent Raya holidays in August, I was still in training but I was not allowed to enjoy that holiday. CSC had made it mandatory for all muslims or non-muslims to come in even though we are not part of the operations (taking calls) yet.
I did not complain and endured it. But when I got my salary I was shocked. The job agency with whom I had signed the employment contract has their own method of calculating wages paid on Public Holidays. When I enquired, I was told employees earning more than RM 2000 is not entitled to OT claims. When signing of the contract I was told that my salary would be pro rated by the day and the OT will be calculated based on that, but instead a flat rate of RM 15 per hour is calculated for hours worked on a Public Holiday.
Another job agency with whom my colleagues are attached to has another formula of calculation all together. RM 15 per hours from midnight to 6.00am and RM 13 per hour before midnight. So if someone is to work the night shift hours before midnight is multiplied by RM13, hours worked after midnight is multiplied by RM15.
Having said that, I kept at building my career without kicking a fuss about my salary. Next, I was asked to work by forgoing the short breaks I am entitled to. At one point I even got my meal break after 6 hours of work non-stop taking calls from arrogant and rude Americans. But when I come in for work 2 minutes late I get a "coach-log" (three of it warrants a warning letter). But "minutes" taken up after my work hours because I get stuck on a long call with a customer is not counted.
The management is allowed to bend and break the rules but as employees we are not even given any leeway. We are supposed to keep customers happy and keep the calls short and take more calls. Unrealistic demands are made on us employees and no encouragement or proper guidance is provided for us employees to get the job done efficiently.The 1st level management that is made up of operation managers, subject matter experts and team leads are not professional, unhelpful and arrogant. They don't give a rat's ass about the employees but the employees are supposed to care if there are many calls in the queue or SLAs are dropping.
We only get our salary after our timesheet is approved by some foreigner who goes by the name Brad Neave, who has complete disregard for the laws of our country. If he does not approve the timesheet within a given time, we don't get paid. The agency that handles our payroll does not bother with getting the timesheet done. Apparently it is our responsibility to get the operations manager to approve our timesheets. So what is the job of the HR/payroll department then?
During my training period, the trainer was very prejudicial. I was not allowed to ask any questions. If I did the trainer would ridicule me in front of my colleagues. The trainer's idea of training was to make sure no one asks any questions. If anyone is to ask a question it will be answered with another question eg. "What do you think?", "Don't you still get it?", "How can you still ask me this?" etc. Fed up with being treated this way, I approached the operations manager, Brad (foreigner) only to be made more like a fool. He tells me that it's not right for me to come to him and I should have sorted things out with the trainer (whom I am having a problem with in the first place).
Last but not least, CSC is hiring foreigners by the droves for level 1 helpdesk positions when here in Malaysia we have so many unemployed Malaysians who are graduates. These foreigners who come here to work are no IT experts that can't be found here in Malaysia. These foreigners are call centre staff from abroad. These foreigners are brought over with a social visit pass (tourist visa). Apparently, it's "converted" to a valid Malaysian work permit after they get here. How is that possible?
I have relatives from abroad from countries like Australia, UK and South Africa who are professionals like doctors, engineers and specialized consultants. Even they had to have a calling visa before they are even engaged in any employment. So a call centre employee from Philipines is more in favour than say a brain surgeon from UK where they get to bypass all Malaysian immigration and labour regulations. We even have a Philipino team lead in CSC here but not even one Malaysian woman as a team lead. So CSC is running some boy's club in CSC. Foreigners who come here enjoy the benefits of our country and hospitality whereas we Malaysians are treated worse than factory production operators, where like in school we have to even ask permission to take a piss.
Ministers and higher officials in the loop, please excuse my language in my mail as I am very disgruntled and angry with what has come to the plight of Malaysians working with foreign companies that come here for cheap but quality labour. They preach democracy and equality in their land and other countries at war, but they have not changed from their colonial mentality. We locals are coloured dogs for them still, the only differences are the suits we wear these days and we no longer live on trees.
I am not able to reveal my identity as I know I will be victimized by the management, after all I am only a level 1 helpdesk and a Malaysian citizen not some fancy foreigner who does not know their work. But it does not matter who I am, there are thousands of fellow Malaysians like me who are in the same boat and are suffering in silence, to protect our ricebowl.
What's the real population of Indians in MALAYSIA ... Malaysiakini ... What is the actual population of Indians in Malaysia? Is it only about 7 percent as per statistics from the BN government or is it very much more? Has the MIC made any effort to refute this statistics for the last 30 years? It's a very simple analysis of our population - this is not rocket science which the BN government is good at. Check out the statistics at this website and you will find that the percentage distribution of population by ethnics groups Malaysia 2010, where the Hindus account for only 7.3 percent.
Let's take into consideration the one day statistics for the yearly Religious Hindu festival of Thaipusam in Malaysia, where hundreds and thousands of Malaysian Hindus attend at various locations in Malaysia.
(Please note to analyse the population, I am only considering a major part of the Indian population the Hindus, there are still Indian Christians, Muslims and Buddhists).
The numbers of visitors to these various temples around the country on the day of the Thaipusam have been reported by the mainstream BN-controlled news media.
These figures have been reported over the last few years and year by year there are more and more people attending the festival.
It was reported that in Kuala Lumpur Batu Caves that there were about 1.2 million to 1.5 million people who visited the temple.
Let's take into consideration only 80 percent to be Hindus since there are also foreigners and others non-Hindus at the festival. So there would be about 960,000 Hindus at Batu Caves for Thaipusam.
In Penang there are more than 800,000 people who attend the festival. We consider only about 70 percent are Hindus since a large number of Chinese in Penang do attend this festival. That works to about 560,000 Hindus in Penang for Thaipusam.
In Ipoh there are about more than 500,000 people who attend the festival. Here again we consider about 80 percent to be Hindus, that's 400,000 Hindus in Ipoh for Thaipusam.
In Sungei Petani there are about well over 350,000 people attending the festival. We consider about 90 percent are Hindus, that's about 315,000 Hindus in Sungei Petani for Thaipusam.
In Johor Baru there are well over 400,000 people who attend the festival. We consider about 90 percent are Hindus, that's about 360,000 Hindus in Johore Bharu for Thaipusam.
In Kuantan there are about well over 150,000 people attending the festival. We consider about 90 percent are Hindus, that's about 135,000 Hindus in Kuantan for Thaipusam.
The festival attracts an average of about 20,000 to 30,000 people in smaller towns such as Port Klang , Teluk Intan, Malacca, Alor Setar and many other temples in various towns.
Although it is a small temple there will be over 5,000 people attending Thaipusam prayers, so, we can safely consider there are well over 100,000 Hindus in all these places throughout the country.
A simple addition of all the above shows up to 2,830,000 Hindus attending Thaipusam festival, of which we minus the Indian nationals who are here on work visas - about 100,000 both legal and illegal. The Malaysian Hindus attending Thaipusam is at an average of 2,730,000 people.
But, a very important fact, only an average of 50 percent of the Hindu population attend the Thaipusam festival. I personally did a check, called about 10 close Hindu friends on Thaipusam day, only three of them went to Batu Caves. This is common among in middle and upper class families.
Most of them stay away due to the crowd. So, to consider 50 percent of the Hindu population attends Thaipusam festival is fair.
My view is there are about 5.5 million Hindus plus about 1 million other Indians (Indian Christians, Muslims and Buddhists) in Malaysia, which results to a population of more than 22 -23 percent Indians, even with an error in this analysis, is not less than 20 percent.
The Non-Malays in this country are between 55 percent to 58 percent, including Sabahans, Sarawakians and others.
From this analysis we can conclude the population distribution to be:
Malays - 45 percent
Chinese - 28 percent (A large number of Chinese have migrated lately)
Indians - 20 percent
Bumiputra Natives - 7 percent (Aborigines, Sabahans & Sarawakians)
The late Dr V David in his book 'Freedom that never came' had on page 330 referred to a paper presented at the Wollongong University, Australia on July 21, 1985, which stated that Indian population in Malaysia was 16 percent of the total population.
This statistic was then 27 years ago. So one can do their math to know what is the Indian population as of now 2012. Also you can check this website.
The Indian community in Malaysia is the smallest of the three main ethnic groups, accounting for about 10 percent of the country's population.
The Punjabis (mostly Sikhs) are also substantial in number and the people of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lankan origin are included in the "Indian" category for statistical purposes.
It's questionable why Sri Lankans, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are included in the Indian Category.
Let's go back to the GE12 elections where the Opposition won five states (minus Perak State now).
This was possible because the GE12 was held just after the Hindraf Rally in 2007 and it's the Hindus population of 20 percent which was the deciding factor for the Opposition's win in these states.
This would not have been possible if the Indian population was only 7.3 percent as per then statistics from the Department of Statistics, Malaysia.
From 1960 until 2011, the Malaysia population grew from 17 million to almost 29 million in December 2011.
Ethnic composition (According to Malaysian Government in 2010).
The total population was 28.3 million of which 91.8 per cent were Malaysian citizens and 8.2 per cent were non-citizens. Malaysian citizens consist of the ethnic groups Bumiputera (67.4%), Chinese (24.6%), Indians (7.3%) 2.066 Million and Others (0.7%).
Among the Malaysian citizens, the Malays was the predominant ethnic group in Peninsular Malaysia which constituted 63.1 per cent. The Ibans constituted 30.3 per cent of the total citizens in Sarawak while Kadazan/Dusun made up 24.5 per cent in Sabah.
Islam was the most widely professed religion in Malaysia with the proportion of 61.3 per cent. As a multi-racial nation, other religions embraced were Buddhism (19.8%), Christy John Christobertianity (9.2%) and Hinduism (6.3%). That means according to Malaysian Government there are 1.8 Million Hindus in Malaysia.](https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/blogger_img_proxy/AEn0k_tiq6dwmYMN_nZh3HObk86RRJ2VTyauObMlY_Ff3Hzjzfu8fCM01SYqUhmXwLdVgbVLnvmSpsbt2nsPPy-lfzqyEcDAO6T1Sye0khlHt1PhcEUVLLGZt_RotEoYtbEF8SRxLsGFgMIgmO8bP0gp4mwenNrWoPl5TGceJt1muNkyfg=s0-d)
Correcting the civil service racial
imbalance.... Once more the government appears to be clueless and
befuddled as to why the non-Malay young do not want to take up civil
service jobs. Once more, there will be a taskforce and a high-level
committee at work to produce yet another report on how to attract
non-Malays to join the service. Once more the almost obligatory letters
are appearing in the mainstream papers applauding the government (in
this case) the Public Service Commission new chairman for his bold
initiative in proposing a study “to nail down…the reasons for the poor
number of applications from non-Bumiputeras for public and civil service
jobs”.
Do we need more studies?
Come on, we already have a plethora of research and studies on the subject. We have more than enough figures and data showing that the severely racially imbalanced civil service is not a recent problem but one going back more than 30 years. Do we need some more studies?“Even the … office boys in those departments can see the unfairness [in promotions], and we have top civil servants wondering why. Please, just practice fairness and they (non-Malays) will come.”
Rampant racial discrimination
The most important reason why disparity in civil service participation amongst the races exists is the discrimination against non-Malays in recruitment and promotion exercises. This explains why the numbers applying have dropped dramatically. If there is going to be an uneven playing field and if others less qualified or less capable than you are promoted ahead of you – and this is perceived to be a standard practice – why stay in the job, even if it may be a well paying or secure one.
Factors of pride, dignity and self-respect also come into play which explains why non-Malays refuse to remain in the service even when they have a good position. After a few years of frustration and alienation with racially structured obstacles when they apply for promotion or other career opportunities, many see the writing on the wall and opt to strike out for the private sector or self employment even though they may have to make sacrifices.
This game of pretending not to know why non-Malay recruitment and enrolment is so low in the civil service has been going on for so long that many of its practitioners appear to believe their own fairy tales and prejudices about non-Malays being less patriotic (explaining their low enrolment in the military and police); or more grasping and calculating (hence, less attracted to teaching or other service occupations); etc.
Solution
Let’s do away with the pretense and acting dumb on this long-standing blot in our societal make up. The steps to ensure higher non-Malay (and East Malaysian bumiputera) participation in the civil service are simple:
Firstly, there must be a solemn declaration and promise by the prime minister and government that racial intake as well as all treatment after recruitment in the civil service will be fair and transparent and that racial or regional discrimination will not be tolerated.
Secondly, the Public Services Commission and Public Services Department must be a party to this declaration and should mainstream this declaration into all service manuals and directives. It is a fact that some of the major obstacles to making the civil service more racially representative comes from within the civil service itself.
Thirdly, all recruitment, appointment, promotion and other service related committees and boards should have full multi-racial representation. Inclusion of token non-Malays as we have seen in the past does not work.
Fourthly, a new civil service quota system – in this case specifically used as a temporary affirmative action tool to increase non-Malay numbers and reduce marginalization – should be formulated. This can be done in a way as to meet with the constitutional provisions providing for the special position of the Malays and bumiputera groups of Sabah and Sarawak. A 60-40 recruitment system would be relatively easy and painless to implement. It would guarantee Malay dominance but not over-dominance and help to bring about a gradual increase in the number and proportion of non-Malay civil servants in the country.
Finally, we need a civil service ombudsman to act on cases of racial discrimination within the service as well as to respond to allegations of racially biased policies and programmes.
Make or break the nation
It is a truism that the civil service can make or break a nation, more especially in the case of multiracial societies such as ours where neutral stake players are necessary to play a critical role in balancing complex and contentious racial demands.
Democratic norms call for a representative, impartial and neutral bureaucracy to ensure that public policies are responsive to the needs of all citizens in a fair and equitable fashion. A genuinely multi-racial civil service is also necessary to ensure that there is an absence of racial bias in the individual or collective manner in which civil servants formulate policies and conduct their work.
Unfortunately, we have moved away from these democratic norms for so long that nothing but a radical change in the mindsets and actions of our politicians and civil service elites can stop the rot. A mono-ethnic civil service – which is what we are fast moving towards – is the single biggest obstacle to the goal of 1Malaysia.
Comments: You do realize that it was BN policy for Malays to control all government apparatus from the Military to the police to the civil service. What you are suggesting will never be carried out because you are crazy Pendatang. This is what BN wants and what the ultra malay nationalist want too. Why would they ever allow non-malays into public organization which they consider Malay owned? PS: I am chinese, my parents, uncles and aunties are also government servants. The atmosphere in there is toxic. It all comes from the higher ups down. If you want more non-malays in the public sector, change the government. Cause BN and gang are actually happy that the civil service is 99% Malay. It is ketuanan Melayu.
If they are really interested in the non-malays in the civil service, why reject so many application from the non-malays. The non-malays also like to have pensions when they retired. In the private sector, there are no retirement benefits. Who will not want to be in civil service? Even medical fees, surgery and hospitalisation are all free. And those non-malays who have been many years in civil service and who performed well are not given promotion, but your subordinates who are of a certain race are given the promotions, so how would you feel. Before, she takes order from you, but now you take orders from her. To say that the private sectors pay higher salaries is also pure nonsense as I know many of my friends and relatives are earning pittance. Working in a hair saloon only get $800 a month, slightly better than a maid nowaday. Same with a clerk in the private sector. All these surveys are no used because it is not getting to those lower officers interviewing applicants. They will not look at non-bumi applications. They will just chuck it aside. The only way is for Govt. to specify and put a quotas on it to employ at least a 30% of non-bumis in the civil sectors.
KARANRAJ: Vast majority of the revenue of the government comes through various forms of taxes and the most of the tax payers in Malaysia are Chinese and then Indians. But the intake, training, upgrading, promotions of civil servants is based on Malays only. Even those not qualified are being recruited and even promoted to the rank of officers till directors even though it might be the non-Malays who taught them BUT still no promotions given to them till their retirement. It's very unfair practise as the best should be recruited and later on promoted UNLIKE now it is race based qualification.
More Indians in the civil service ....FMT ... Indians accounted for a little more than 5% of all appointees in the first eight months of 2012. The first eight months of 2012 saw a higher percentage of Indians appointed to the civil service, statistics from the Prime Minister’s Department indicated.
Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Koh Tsu Koon said that 1,173 Indians entered the civil service, accounting for 5.6% of the total appointments (20,796).
He added that this was 0.3% higher than the same period in 2011, which saw 1,191 Indians out of 22,556 Malaysians entering public service. Koh said this in a written reply to DAP-Batu Kawan MP P Ramasamy at Parliament. He, however, did not supply the current total of Indians working in the civil service.
Citing a Tamil daily Thinakural article, Ramasamy said the number of Indians enlisted in the public service appeared to be low.
He also asked what steps the federal government has taken to increase their numbers. Koh said that people taken into the public service were judged according to their merits, besides the number of job vacancies available. In an attempt to entice Indians, he said that the Public Service Commission (PSC): conducted engagement programmes with the Indian community, various NGOs and other means under the Prime Minister’s Department to reach the Indians. This was to encourage Indians to enrol in the public service;
held career promotions at public areas or schools and colleges;
broadcast crawlers about job recruitment possibilities at electronic media outlets; prepared frequently asked questions in the Tamil language on the PSC’s website; and advertised on the matter either on its website, or in various Malay, Tamil and Chinese newspapers.
Karanraj Sathianathan · Top Commenter · - at Ex-government employee · 936 subscribers
Actually it is a very good news for all stupid, brainless Indians who trust this! I say for 100% the PSD don't bother to even take 2% a year. Just last year our two coward, selfish ministers praised Najib being the best PM we ever had as he is giving ALL MIC asks. They told publicly the intake into 20 public IPTAs excluding UiTM and Mara Universities for 2011 was 9% the BEST ever a PM gave. BUT after investigating it was found to be 3.66% and this year it was 3.59% much less than our population of 7.3 to 7.4%. But MCA without boasting and lying got nearly 24% for Chinese students in 2011 and 1012. A government college which used to take in about 5% or more yearly of Indians, DROPPED TO LESS THAN 2% after the best PM Najib and DPM Muhyiddin took over the government.
This I took from a reliable source....Muhyiddin said to cut down number of Indian MPs on both sides, don't give them any jobs in civil service and just ignore them. In the GLC where I worked, Indians application letters would end up in rubbish bins and it even used a ploy to clear the number of Indians already working from civil service and GLC through VSS telling overstaffed. But 2 months later all these Indians jobs given to newly recruited Malays. There are a lot of lies and cheating going on but it seems most Indians don't bother to check first what the politicians saying is TRUE or FALSE. BUT our so called community leaders just take care of themselves and instead tell thousands of lies which many believe to be true. Real politicians won't boast about doing this and that BUT only empty ones make the most noise.
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Iwan Dani · Lancaster
Indians? I thought the Public Service is only reserved for Malaysians. Why are we employing Indians in the Malaysian Government?
Erwin Dani Abdul Muis · Kota Tinggi
u didn't know ah? we even got chinese in the military and police force. terrer meh.
Sarguna Raj Nadarajah · Top Commenter
Why only now? The 'Indians' were around well before independence. Banyak Sandiwara.
Ram Ramaya · Top Commenter · SMK Kulim
What I know taking indian staff in government on contract basis. This is another eyewash by BN govt.
Yap C Seng · Top Commenter
Look at the figures instead of percentage.
'..1,173 Indians entered the civil service, accounting for 5.6% of the total appointments (20,796). He added that this was 0.3% higher than the same period in 2011, which saw 1,191 Indians out of 22,556 Malaysians entering public service'. The numbers are actually LESS than the year before! Will Indians still vote for a lying, cheating BN who actually employ LESS Indians in the government service?
Albert Lee Wan Leong · Top Commenter · Victoria Institution
5% , are thesethe lowest ranking ones?
How many in top positions? I doubt the figures can encourage the non bumis. Hopefully after regime change, Pakatan can bring in more changes to the unproductive civil service.
Evangelion Chai · Top Commenter
When election is so near, macam2 type of candy is available to citizen. WTF!
Lim Kawi · Top Commenter · Gifu University
too many civil staff that don't have productivity as we has highest numbers in the world need to lay out thoase makan gaji buta.
Maxeemillian Sv · Top Commenter
many indian in civil service... so problem solved is it? Wayang kulit when election is nearing. more so when many indians are taken in on a contract basis.. some even with 1 year contract only.
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Scuderiazz Yogi · Top Commenter · Management & Science University... jangan nak wayang kulit,,,,,! aku menyampah ada lagi sistem kuota ni!
Manickam Nadeson · Top Commenter · Tapah
Why do Ramasamy refer to the Tamil daily, where is his own effectiveness to do a study and servey on the civil service recruitment of Indians , can he give the public the real figure how many Indians civil servents are in the Penang state. Let him clear the issue in Penang befoe he comment on the Federal government. He is trying to be a hero of Indians in Malaysia, Mr.Rama please stop divert the issue and blame others, first you clear your backyard, If Rama have the guts, let the Penang state government to recruit more Indians.
Sugumaran Krishnan · Subscribe · Top Commenter
1 Malaysia but ministry that holds better prospect is for certain race only, so is the contracts and businesses and projects are for cronies, they can steal corrupt and hide behind the veil of special rights, this has to be done away, divide and rule with instilling fear of the disaster May 13, is the dark side of history that further ruin this nation, it's time to share equally the economy all around.
Viilakanu Alagesan · Top Commenter · Klang
Hello all mulut Murai. Why only talk about Civil services. What about GLC etc? Even a Indonesian Airlines owner can appoint a Malaysian Indian as the CEO of the newly launched Malindo Budget Airlines. In Malaysia how many in the top post.
Yuen James · Subscribe · Top Commenter
one awhile. koh make speeches , announcments just to make his presence felt and earned his super perks. it better he earns it and just shut up. each time , he appeared remind me of bo ho durian!
Demudu Narasiah · Top Commenter · Universiti Malaya
5 years once intake and lower ranking posts? The same recruits will regret after 20 years in the service after majority of them practically not promoted!
Gurunathan Arumugham · Top Commenter · Shah Alam, Malaysia
Most Indians in civil service are in the lowest rank job like security guards, attendants, gardeners and janitors.
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Dhanyaraam Chinathamby Drsp · Subscribe · Top Commenter · Prime Minister of Malaysia atPrime Minister's Department, Malaysia
More Indians in civil service..sadly Indians in PR states admin decreasing day to day.
Worker of 1Malaysia .... Open letter to S. Subramaniam, Human Resource Minister
Dear Minister,
I am a citizen of Malaysia who pays my taxes and to date still paying my PTPTN loan for my education that I received locally. I recently joined CSC (a MNC based in Malaysia) as a Level 1 Technical Helpdesk. I work the night shift mostly just to qualify for the RM500 which is the night shift allowance.
Recently I was made to work on a 12 hour shift without even giving me the choice of accepting the 12 hour shift pattern. When I asked, I was told that the company had the right to place their employees in any shift they like as long as it does not cross the 48 hours work hours a week. Is this true? Don't the employees have a say in the number of work hours they choose to work for, as long as it is within the law?
When I first started work I was told by my employers that for the first 3 months of my service, my leaves earned will be frozen as I am still in probation. During the recent Raya holidays in August, I was still in training but I was not allowed to enjoy that holiday. CSC had made it mandatory for all muslims or non-muslims to come in even though we are not part of the operations (taking calls) yet.
I did not complain and endured it. But when I got my salary I was shocked. The job agency with whom I had signed the employment contract has their own method of calculating wages paid on Public Holidays. When I enquired, I was told employees earning more than RM 2000 is not entitled to OT claims. When signing of the contract I was told that my salary would be pro rated by the day and the OT will be calculated based on that, but instead a flat rate of RM 15 per hour is calculated for hours worked on a Public Holiday.
Another job agency with whom my colleagues are attached to has another formula of calculation all together. RM 15 per hours from midnight to 6.00am and RM 13 per hour before midnight. So if someone is to work the night shift hours before midnight is multiplied by RM13, hours worked after midnight is multiplied by RM15.
Having said that, I kept at building my career without kicking a fuss about my salary. Next, I was asked to work by forgoing the short breaks I am entitled to. At one point I even got my meal break after 6 hours of work non-stop taking calls from arrogant and rude Americans. But when I come in for work 2 minutes late I get a "coach-log" (three of it warrants a warning letter). But "minutes" taken up after my work hours because I get stuck on a long call with a customer is not counted.
The management is allowed to bend and break the rules but as employees we are not even given any leeway. We are supposed to keep customers happy and keep the calls short and take more calls. Unrealistic demands are made on us employees and no encouragement or proper guidance is provided for us employees to get the job done efficiently.The 1st level management that is made up of operation managers, subject matter experts and team leads are not professional, unhelpful and arrogant. They don't give a rat's ass about the employees but the employees are supposed to care if there are many calls in the queue or SLAs are dropping.
We only get our salary after our timesheet is approved by some foreigner who goes by the name Brad Neave, who has complete disregard for the laws of our country. If he does not approve the timesheet within a given time, we don't get paid. The agency that handles our payroll does not bother with getting the timesheet done. Apparently it is our responsibility to get the operations manager to approve our timesheets. So what is the job of the HR/payroll department then?
During my training period, the trainer was very prejudicial. I was not allowed to ask any questions. If I did the trainer would ridicule me in front of my colleagues. The trainer's idea of training was to make sure no one asks any questions. If anyone is to ask a question it will be answered with another question eg. "What do you think?", "Don't you still get it?", "How can you still ask me this?" etc. Fed up with being treated this way, I approached the operations manager, Brad (foreigner) only to be made more like a fool. He tells me that it's not right for me to come to him and I should have sorted things out with the trainer (whom I am having a problem with in the first place).
Last but not least, CSC is hiring foreigners by the droves for level 1 helpdesk positions when here in Malaysia we have so many unemployed Malaysians who are graduates. These foreigners who come here to work are no IT experts that can't be found here in Malaysia. These foreigners are call centre staff from abroad. These foreigners are brought over with a social visit pass (tourist visa). Apparently, it's "converted" to a valid Malaysian work permit after they get here. How is that possible?
I have relatives from abroad from countries like Australia, UK and South Africa who are professionals like doctors, engineers and specialized consultants. Even they had to have a calling visa before they are even engaged in any employment. So a call centre employee from Philipines is more in favour than say a brain surgeon from UK where they get to bypass all Malaysian immigration and labour regulations. We even have a Philipino team lead in CSC here but not even one Malaysian woman as a team lead. So CSC is running some boy's club in CSC. Foreigners who come here enjoy the benefits of our country and hospitality whereas we Malaysians are treated worse than factory production operators, where like in school we have to even ask permission to take a piss.
Ministers and higher officials in the loop, please excuse my language in my mail as I am very disgruntled and angry with what has come to the plight of Malaysians working with foreign companies that come here for cheap but quality labour. They preach democracy and equality in their land and other countries at war, but they have not changed from their colonial mentality. We locals are coloured dogs for them still, the only differences are the suits we wear these days and we no longer live on trees.
I am not able to reveal my identity as I know I will be victimized by the management, after all I am only a level 1 helpdesk and a Malaysian citizen not some fancy foreigner who does not know their work. But it does not matter who I am, there are thousands of fellow Malaysians like me who are in the same boat and are suffering in silence, to protect our ricebowl.
What's the real population of Indians in MALAYSIA ... Malaysiakini ... What is the actual population of Indians in Malaysia? Is it only about 7 percent as per statistics from the BN government or is it very much more? Has the MIC made any effort to refute this statistics for the last 30 years? It's a very simple analysis of our population - this is not rocket science which the BN government is good at. Check out the statistics at this website and you will find that the percentage distribution of population by ethnics groups Malaysia 2010, where the Hindus account for only 7.3 percent.
Let's take into consideration the one day statistics for the yearly Religious Hindu festival of Thaipusam in Malaysia, where hundreds and thousands of Malaysian Hindus attend at various locations in Malaysia.
(Please note to analyse the population, I am only considering a major part of the Indian population the Hindus, there are still Indian Christians, Muslims and Buddhists).
The numbers of visitors to these various temples around the country on the day of the Thaipusam have been reported by the mainstream BN-controlled news media.
These figures have been reported over the last few years and year by year there are more and more people attending the festival.
It was reported that in Kuala Lumpur Batu Caves that there were about 1.2 million to 1.5 million people who visited the temple.
Let's take into consideration only 80 percent to be Hindus since there are also foreigners and others non-Hindus at the festival. So there would be about 960,000 Hindus at Batu Caves for Thaipusam.
In Penang there are more than 800,000 people who attend the festival. We consider only about 70 percent are Hindus since a large number of Chinese in Penang do attend this festival. That works to about 560,000 Hindus in Penang for Thaipusam.
In Ipoh there are about more than 500,000 people who attend the festival. Here again we consider about 80 percent to be Hindus, that's 400,000 Hindus in Ipoh for Thaipusam.
In Sungei Petani there are about well over 350,000 people attending the festival. We consider about 90 percent are Hindus, that's about 315,000 Hindus in Sungei Petani for Thaipusam.
In Johor Baru there are well over 400,000 people who attend the festival. We consider about 90 percent are Hindus, that's about 360,000 Hindus in Johore Bharu for Thaipusam.
In Kuantan there are about well over 150,000 people attending the festival. We consider about 90 percent are Hindus, that's about 135,000 Hindus in Kuantan for Thaipusam.
The festival attracts an average of about 20,000 to 30,000 people in smaller towns such as Port Klang , Teluk Intan, Malacca, Alor Setar and many other temples in various towns.
Although it is a small temple there will be over 5,000 people attending Thaipusam prayers, so, we can safely consider there are well over 100,000 Hindus in all these places throughout the country.
A simple addition of all the above shows up to 2,830,000 Hindus attending Thaipusam festival, of which we minus the Indian nationals who are here on work visas - about 100,000 both legal and illegal. The Malaysian Hindus attending Thaipusam is at an average of 2,730,000 people.
But, a very important fact, only an average of 50 percent of the Hindu population attend the Thaipusam festival. I personally did a check, called about 10 close Hindu friends on Thaipusam day, only three of them went to Batu Caves. This is common among in middle and upper class families.
Most of them stay away due to the crowd. So, to consider 50 percent of the Hindu population attends Thaipusam festival is fair.
My view is there are about 5.5 million Hindus plus about 1 million other Indians (Indian Christians, Muslims and Buddhists) in Malaysia, which results to a population of more than 22 -23 percent Indians, even with an error in this analysis, is not less than 20 percent.
The Non-Malays in this country are between 55 percent to 58 percent, including Sabahans, Sarawakians and others.
From this analysis we can conclude the population distribution to be:
Malays - 45 percent
Chinese - 28 percent (A large number of Chinese have migrated lately)
Indians - 20 percent
Bumiputra Natives - 7 percent (Aborigines, Sabahans & Sarawakians)
The late Dr V David in his book 'Freedom that never came' had on page 330 referred to a paper presented at the Wollongong University, Australia on July 21, 1985, which stated that Indian population in Malaysia was 16 percent of the total population.
This statistic was then 27 years ago. So one can do their math to know what is the Indian population as of now 2012. Also you can check this website.
The Indian community in Malaysia is the smallest of the three main ethnic groups, accounting for about 10 percent of the country's population.
The Punjabis (mostly Sikhs) are also substantial in number and the people of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lankan origin are included in the "Indian" category for statistical purposes.
It's questionable why Sri Lankans, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are included in the Indian Category.
Let's go back to the GE12 elections where the Opposition won five states (minus Perak State now).
This was possible because the GE12 was held just after the Hindraf Rally in 2007 and it's the Hindus population of 20 percent which was the deciding factor for the Opposition's win in these states.
This would not have been possible if the Indian population was only 7.3 percent as per then statistics from the Department of Statistics, Malaysia.
From 1960 until 2011, the Malaysia population grew from 17 million to almost 29 million in December 2011.
Ethnic composition (According to Malaysian Government in 2010).
The total population was 28.3 million of which 91.8 per cent were Malaysian citizens and 8.2 per cent were non-citizens. Malaysian citizens consist of the ethnic groups Bumiputera (67.4%), Chinese (24.6%), Indians (7.3%) 2.066 Million and Others (0.7%).
Among the Malaysian citizens, the Malays was the predominant ethnic group in Peninsular Malaysia which constituted 63.1 per cent. The Ibans constituted 30.3 per cent of the total citizens in Sarawak while Kadazan/Dusun made up 24.5 per cent in Sabah.
Islam was the most widely professed religion in Malaysia with the proportion of 61.3 per cent. As a multi-racial nation, other religions embraced were Buddhism (19.8%), Christy John Christobertianity (9.2%) and Hinduism (6.3%). That means according to Malaysian Government there are 1.8 Million Hindus in Malaysia.
Do we need more studies?
Come on, we already have a plethora of research and studies on the subject. We have more than enough figures and data showing that the severely racially imbalanced civil service is not a recent problem but one going back more than 30 years. Do we need some more studies?“Even the … office boys in those departments can see the unfairness [in promotions], and we have top civil servants wondering why. Please, just practice fairness and they (non-Malays) will come.”
Rampant racial discrimination
The most important reason why disparity in civil service participation amongst the races exists is the discrimination against non-Malays in recruitment and promotion exercises. This explains why the numbers applying have dropped dramatically. If there is going to be an uneven playing field and if others less qualified or less capable than you are promoted ahead of you – and this is perceived to be a standard practice – why stay in the job, even if it may be a well paying or secure one.
Factors of pride, dignity and self-respect also come into play which explains why non-Malays refuse to remain in the service even when they have a good position. After a few years of frustration and alienation with racially structured obstacles when they apply for promotion or other career opportunities, many see the writing on the wall and opt to strike out for the private sector or self employment even though they may have to make sacrifices.
This game of pretending not to know why non-Malay recruitment and enrolment is so low in the civil service has been going on for so long that many of its practitioners appear to believe their own fairy tales and prejudices about non-Malays being less patriotic (explaining their low enrolment in the military and police); or more grasping and calculating (hence, less attracted to teaching or other service occupations); etc.
Solution
Let’s do away with the pretense and acting dumb on this long-standing blot in our societal make up. The steps to ensure higher non-Malay (and East Malaysian bumiputera) participation in the civil service are simple:
Firstly, there must be a solemn declaration and promise by the prime minister and government that racial intake as well as all treatment after recruitment in the civil service will be fair and transparent and that racial or regional discrimination will not be tolerated.
Secondly, the Public Services Commission and Public Services Department must be a party to this declaration and should mainstream this declaration into all service manuals and directives. It is a fact that some of the major obstacles to making the civil service more racially representative comes from within the civil service itself.
Thirdly, all recruitment, appointment, promotion and other service related committees and boards should have full multi-racial representation. Inclusion of token non-Malays as we have seen in the past does not work.
Fourthly, a new civil service quota system – in this case specifically used as a temporary affirmative action tool to increase non-Malay numbers and reduce marginalization – should be formulated. This can be done in a way as to meet with the constitutional provisions providing for the special position of the Malays and bumiputera groups of Sabah and Sarawak. A 60-40 recruitment system would be relatively easy and painless to implement. It would guarantee Malay dominance but not over-dominance and help to bring about a gradual increase in the number and proportion of non-Malay civil servants in the country.
Finally, we need a civil service ombudsman to act on cases of racial discrimination within the service as well as to respond to allegations of racially biased policies and programmes.
Make or break the nation
It is a truism that the civil service can make or break a nation, more especially in the case of multiracial societies such as ours where neutral stake players are necessary to play a critical role in balancing complex and contentious racial demands.
Democratic norms call for a representative, impartial and neutral bureaucracy to ensure that public policies are responsive to the needs of all citizens in a fair and equitable fashion. A genuinely multi-racial civil service is also necessary to ensure that there is an absence of racial bias in the individual or collective manner in which civil servants formulate policies and conduct their work.
Unfortunately, we have moved away from these democratic norms for so long that nothing but a radical change in the mindsets and actions of our politicians and civil service elites can stop the rot. A mono-ethnic civil service – which is what we are fast moving towards – is the single biggest obstacle to the goal of 1Malaysia.
Comments: You do realize that it was BN policy for Malays to control all government apparatus from the Military to the police to the civil service. What you are suggesting will never be carried out because you are crazy Pendatang. This is what BN wants and what the ultra malay nationalist want too. Why would they ever allow non-malays into public organization which they consider Malay owned? PS: I am chinese, my parents, uncles and aunties are also government servants. The atmosphere in there is toxic. It all comes from the higher ups down. If you want more non-malays in the public sector, change the government. Cause BN and gang are actually happy that the civil service is 99% Malay. It is ketuanan Melayu.
If they are really interested in the non-malays in the civil service, why reject so many application from the non-malays. The non-malays also like to have pensions when they retired. In the private sector, there are no retirement benefits. Who will not want to be in civil service? Even medical fees, surgery and hospitalisation are all free. And those non-malays who have been many years in civil service and who performed well are not given promotion, but your subordinates who are of a certain race are given the promotions, so how would you feel. Before, she takes order from you, but now you take orders from her. To say that the private sectors pay higher salaries is also pure nonsense as I know many of my friends and relatives are earning pittance. Working in a hair saloon only get $800 a month, slightly better than a maid nowaday. Same with a clerk in the private sector. All these surveys are no used because it is not getting to those lower officers interviewing applicants. They will not look at non-bumi applications. They will just chuck it aside. The only way is for Govt. to specify and put a quotas on it to employ at least a 30% of non-bumis in the civil sectors.
KARANRAJ: Vast majority of the revenue of the government comes through various forms of taxes and the most of the tax payers in Malaysia are Chinese and then Indians. But the intake, training, upgrading, promotions of civil servants is based on Malays only. Even those not qualified are being recruited and even promoted to the rank of officers till directors even though it might be the non-Malays who taught them BUT still no promotions given to them till their retirement. It's very unfair practise as the best should be recruited and later on promoted UNLIKE now it is race based qualification.
More Indians in the civil service ....FMT ... Indians accounted for a little more than 5% of all appointees in the first eight months of 2012. The first eight months of 2012 saw a higher percentage of Indians appointed to the civil service, statistics from the Prime Minister’s Department indicated.
Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Koh Tsu Koon said that 1,173 Indians entered the civil service, accounting for 5.6% of the total appointments (20,796).
He added that this was 0.3% higher than the same period in 2011, which saw 1,191 Indians out of 22,556 Malaysians entering public service. Koh said this in a written reply to DAP-Batu Kawan MP P Ramasamy at Parliament. He, however, did not supply the current total of Indians working in the civil service.
Citing a Tamil daily Thinakural article, Ramasamy said the number of Indians enlisted in the public service appeared to be low.
He also asked what steps the federal government has taken to increase their numbers. Koh said that people taken into the public service were judged according to their merits, besides the number of job vacancies available. In an attempt to entice Indians, he said that the Public Service Commission (PSC): conducted engagement programmes with the Indian community, various NGOs and other means under the Prime Minister’s Department to reach the Indians. This was to encourage Indians to enrol in the public service;
held career promotions at public areas or schools and colleges;
broadcast crawlers about job recruitment possibilities at electronic media outlets; prepared frequently asked questions in the Tamil language on the PSC’s website; and advertised on the matter either on its website, or in various Malay, Tamil and Chinese newspapers.
Karanraj Sathianathan · Top Commenter · - at Ex-government employee · 936 subscribers
Actually it is a very good news for all stupid, brainless Indians who trust this! I say for 100% the PSD don't bother to even take 2% a year. Just last year our two coward, selfish ministers praised Najib being the best PM we ever had as he is giving ALL MIC asks. They told publicly the intake into 20 public IPTAs excluding UiTM and Mara Universities for 2011 was 9% the BEST ever a PM gave. BUT after investigating it was found to be 3.66% and this year it was 3.59% much less than our population of 7.3 to 7.4%. But MCA without boasting and lying got nearly 24% for Chinese students in 2011 and 1012. A government college which used to take in about 5% or more yearly of Indians, DROPPED TO LESS THAN 2% after the best PM Najib and DPM Muhyiddin took over the government.
This I took from a reliable source....Muhyiddin said to cut down number of Indian MPs on both sides, don't give them any jobs in civil service and just ignore them. In the GLC where I worked, Indians application letters would end up in rubbish bins and it even used a ploy to clear the number of Indians already working from civil service and GLC through VSS telling overstaffed. But 2 months later all these Indians jobs given to newly recruited Malays. There are a lot of lies and cheating going on but it seems most Indians don't bother to check first what the politicians saying is TRUE or FALSE. BUT our so called community leaders just take care of themselves and instead tell thousands of lies which many believe to be true. Real politicians won't boast about doing this and that BUT only empty ones make the most noise.
Reply · Like · Unfollow Post · September 27 at 1:13pm
Iwan Dani · Lancaster
Indians? I thought the Public Service is only reserved for Malaysians. Why are we employing Indians in the Malaysian Government?
Erwin Dani Abdul Muis · Kota Tinggi
u didn't know ah? we even got chinese in the military and police force. terrer meh.
Sarguna Raj Nadarajah · Top Commenter
Why only now? The 'Indians' were around well before independence. Banyak Sandiwara.
Ram Ramaya · Top Commenter · SMK Kulim
What I know taking indian staff in government on contract basis. This is another eyewash by BN govt.
Yap C Seng · Top Commenter
Look at the figures instead of percentage.
'..1,173 Indians entered the civil service, accounting for 5.6% of the total appointments (20,796). He added that this was 0.3% higher than the same period in 2011, which saw 1,191 Indians out of 22,556 Malaysians entering public service'. The numbers are actually LESS than the year before! Will Indians still vote for a lying, cheating BN who actually employ LESS Indians in the government service?
Albert Lee Wan Leong · Top Commenter · Victoria Institution
5% , are thesethe lowest ranking ones?
How many in top positions? I doubt the figures can encourage the non bumis. Hopefully after regime change, Pakatan can bring in more changes to the unproductive civil service.
Evangelion Chai · Top Commenter
When election is so near, macam2 type of candy is available to citizen. WTF!
Lim Kawi · Top Commenter · Gifu University
too many civil staff that don't have productivity as we has highest numbers in the world need to lay out thoase makan gaji buta.
Maxeemillian Sv · Top Commenter
many indian in civil service... so problem solved is it? Wayang kulit when election is nearing. more so when many indians are taken in on a contract basis.. some even with 1 year contract only.
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Scuderiazz Yogi · Top Commenter · Management & Science University... jangan nak wayang kulit,,,,,! aku menyampah ada lagi sistem kuota ni!
Manickam Nadeson · Top Commenter · Tapah
Why do Ramasamy refer to the Tamil daily, where is his own effectiveness to do a study and servey on the civil service recruitment of Indians , can he give the public the real figure how many Indians civil servents are in the Penang state. Let him clear the issue in Penang befoe he comment on the Federal government. He is trying to be a hero of Indians in Malaysia, Mr.Rama please stop divert the issue and blame others, first you clear your backyard, If Rama have the guts, let the Penang state government to recruit more Indians.
Sugumaran Krishnan · Subscribe · Top Commenter
1 Malaysia but ministry that holds better prospect is for certain race only, so is the contracts and businesses and projects are for cronies, they can steal corrupt and hide behind the veil of special rights, this has to be done away, divide and rule with instilling fear of the disaster May 13, is the dark side of history that further ruin this nation, it's time to share equally the economy all around.
Viilakanu Alagesan · Top Commenter · Klang
Hello all mulut Murai. Why only talk about Civil services. What about GLC etc? Even a Indonesian Airlines owner can appoint a Malaysian Indian as the CEO of the newly launched Malindo Budget Airlines. In Malaysia how many in the top post.
Yuen James · Subscribe · Top Commenter
one awhile. koh make speeches , announcments just to make his presence felt and earned his super perks. it better he earns it and just shut up. each time , he appeared remind me of bo ho durian!
Demudu Narasiah · Top Commenter · Universiti Malaya
5 years once intake and lower ranking posts? The same recruits will regret after 20 years in the service after majority of them practically not promoted!
Gurunathan Arumugham · Top Commenter · Shah Alam, Malaysia
Most Indians in civil service are in the lowest rank job like security guards, attendants, gardeners and janitors.
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Dhanyaraam Chinathamby Drsp · Subscribe · Top Commenter · Prime Minister of Malaysia atPrime Minister's Department, Malaysia
More Indians in civil service..sadly Indians in PR states admin decreasing day to day.
Worker of 1Malaysia .... Open letter to S. Subramaniam, Human Resource Minister
Dear Minister,
I am a citizen of Malaysia who pays my taxes and to date still paying my PTPTN loan for my education that I received locally. I recently joined CSC (a MNC based in Malaysia) as a Level 1 Technical Helpdesk. I work the night shift mostly just to qualify for the RM500 which is the night shift allowance.
Recently I was made to work on a 12 hour shift without even giving me the choice of accepting the 12 hour shift pattern. When I asked, I was told that the company had the right to place their employees in any shift they like as long as it does not cross the 48 hours work hours a week. Is this true? Don't the employees have a say in the number of work hours they choose to work for, as long as it is within the law?
When I first started work I was told by my employers that for the first 3 months of my service, my leaves earned will be frozen as I am still in probation. During the recent Raya holidays in August, I was still in training but I was not allowed to enjoy that holiday. CSC had made it mandatory for all muslims or non-muslims to come in even though we are not part of the operations (taking calls) yet.
I did not complain and endured it. But when I got my salary I was shocked. The job agency with whom I had signed the employment contract has their own method of calculating wages paid on Public Holidays. When I enquired, I was told employees earning more than RM 2000 is not entitled to OT claims. When signing of the contract I was told that my salary would be pro rated by the day and the OT will be calculated based on that, but instead a flat rate of RM 15 per hour is calculated for hours worked on a Public Holiday.
Another job agency with whom my colleagues are attached to has another formula of calculation all together. RM 15 per hours from midnight to 6.00am and RM 13 per hour before midnight. So if someone is to work the night shift hours before midnight is multiplied by RM13, hours worked after midnight is multiplied by RM15.
Having said that, I kept at building my career without kicking a fuss about my salary. Next, I was asked to work by forgoing the short breaks I am entitled to. At one point I even got my meal break after 6 hours of work non-stop taking calls from arrogant and rude Americans. But when I come in for work 2 minutes late I get a "coach-log" (three of it warrants a warning letter). But "minutes" taken up after my work hours because I get stuck on a long call with a customer is not counted.
The management is allowed to bend and break the rules but as employees we are not even given any leeway. We are supposed to keep customers happy and keep the calls short and take more calls. Unrealistic demands are made on us employees and no encouragement or proper guidance is provided for us employees to get the job done efficiently.The 1st level management that is made up of operation managers, subject matter experts and team leads are not professional, unhelpful and arrogant. They don't give a rat's ass about the employees but the employees are supposed to care if there are many calls in the queue or SLAs are dropping.
We only get our salary after our timesheet is approved by some foreigner who goes by the name Brad Neave, who has complete disregard for the laws of our country. If he does not approve the timesheet within a given time, we don't get paid. The agency that handles our payroll does not bother with getting the timesheet done. Apparently it is our responsibility to get the operations manager to approve our timesheets. So what is the job of the HR/payroll department then?
During my training period, the trainer was very prejudicial. I was not allowed to ask any questions. If I did the trainer would ridicule me in front of my colleagues. The trainer's idea of training was to make sure no one asks any questions. If anyone is to ask a question it will be answered with another question eg. "What do you think?", "Don't you still get it?", "How can you still ask me this?" etc. Fed up with being treated this way, I approached the operations manager, Brad (foreigner) only to be made more like a fool. He tells me that it's not right for me to come to him and I should have sorted things out with the trainer (whom I am having a problem with in the first place).
Last but not least, CSC is hiring foreigners by the droves for level 1 helpdesk positions when here in Malaysia we have so many unemployed Malaysians who are graduates. These foreigners who come here to work are no IT experts that can't be found here in Malaysia. These foreigners are call centre staff from abroad. These foreigners are brought over with a social visit pass (tourist visa). Apparently, it's "converted" to a valid Malaysian work permit after they get here. How is that possible?
I have relatives from abroad from countries like Australia, UK and South Africa who are professionals like doctors, engineers and specialized consultants. Even they had to have a calling visa before they are even engaged in any employment. So a call centre employee from Philipines is more in favour than say a brain surgeon from UK where they get to bypass all Malaysian immigration and labour regulations. We even have a Philipino team lead in CSC here but not even one Malaysian woman as a team lead. So CSC is running some boy's club in CSC. Foreigners who come here enjoy the benefits of our country and hospitality whereas we Malaysians are treated worse than factory production operators, where like in school we have to even ask permission to take a piss.
Ministers and higher officials in the loop, please excuse my language in my mail as I am very disgruntled and angry with what has come to the plight of Malaysians working with foreign companies that come here for cheap but quality labour. They preach democracy and equality in their land and other countries at war, but they have not changed from their colonial mentality. We locals are coloured dogs for them still, the only differences are the suits we wear these days and we no longer live on trees.
I am not able to reveal my identity as I know I will be victimized by the management, after all I am only a level 1 helpdesk and a Malaysian citizen not some fancy foreigner who does not know their work. But it does not matter who I am, there are thousands of fellow Malaysians like me who are in the same boat and are suffering in silence, to protect our ricebowl.
What's the real population of Indians in MALAYSIA ... Malaysiakini ... What is the actual population of Indians in Malaysia? Is it only about 7 percent as per statistics from the BN government or is it very much more? Has the MIC made any effort to refute this statistics for the last 30 years? It's a very simple analysis of our population - this is not rocket science which the BN government is good at. Check out the statistics at this website and you will find that the percentage distribution of population by ethnics groups Malaysia 2010, where the Hindus account for only 7.3 percent.
Let's take into consideration the one day statistics for the yearly Religious Hindu festival of Thaipusam in Malaysia, where hundreds and thousands of Malaysian Hindus attend at various locations in Malaysia.
(Please note to analyse the population, I am only considering a major part of the Indian population the Hindus, there are still Indian Christians, Muslims and Buddhists).
The numbers of visitors to these various temples around the country on the day of the Thaipusam have been reported by the mainstream BN-controlled news media.
These figures have been reported over the last few years and year by year there are more and more people attending the festival.
It was reported that in Kuala Lumpur Batu Caves that there were about 1.2 million to 1.5 million people who visited the temple.
Let's take into consideration only 80 percent to be Hindus since there are also foreigners and others non-Hindus at the festival. So there would be about 960,000 Hindus at Batu Caves for Thaipusam.
In Penang there are more than 800,000 people who attend the festival. We consider only about 70 percent are Hindus since a large number of Chinese in Penang do attend this festival. That works to about 560,000 Hindus in Penang for Thaipusam.
In Ipoh there are about more than 500,000 people who attend the festival. Here again we consider about 80 percent to be Hindus, that's 400,000 Hindus in Ipoh for Thaipusam.
In Sungei Petani there are about well over 350,000 people attending the festival. We consider about 90 percent are Hindus, that's about 315,000 Hindus in Sungei Petani for Thaipusam.
In Johor Baru there are well over 400,000 people who attend the festival. We consider about 90 percent are Hindus, that's about 360,000 Hindus in Johore Bharu for Thaipusam.
In Kuantan there are about well over 150,000 people attending the festival. We consider about 90 percent are Hindus, that's about 135,000 Hindus in Kuantan for Thaipusam.
The festival attracts an average of about 20,000 to 30,000 people in smaller towns such as Port Klang , Teluk Intan, Malacca, Alor Setar and many other temples in various towns.
Although it is a small temple there will be over 5,000 people attending Thaipusam prayers, so, we can safely consider there are well over 100,000 Hindus in all these places throughout the country.
A simple addition of all the above shows up to 2,830,000 Hindus attending Thaipusam festival, of which we minus the Indian nationals who are here on work visas - about 100,000 both legal and illegal. The Malaysian Hindus attending Thaipusam is at an average of 2,730,000 people.
But, a very important fact, only an average of 50 percent of the Hindu population attend the Thaipusam festival. I personally did a check, called about 10 close Hindu friends on Thaipusam day, only three of them went to Batu Caves. This is common among in middle and upper class families.
Most of them stay away due to the crowd. So, to consider 50 percent of the Hindu population attends Thaipusam festival is fair.
My view is there are about 5.5 million Hindus plus about 1 million other Indians (Indian Christians, Muslims and Buddhists) in Malaysia, which results to a population of more than 22 -23 percent Indians, even with an error in this analysis, is not less than 20 percent.
The Non-Malays in this country are between 55 percent to 58 percent, including Sabahans, Sarawakians and others.
From this analysis we can conclude the population distribution to be:
Malays - 45 percent
Chinese - 28 percent (A large number of Chinese have migrated lately)
Indians - 20 percent
Bumiputra Natives - 7 percent (Aborigines, Sabahans & Sarawakians)
The late Dr V David in his book 'Freedom that never came' had on page 330 referred to a paper presented at the Wollongong University, Australia on July 21, 1985, which stated that Indian population in Malaysia was 16 percent of the total population.
This statistic was then 27 years ago. So one can do their math to know what is the Indian population as of now 2012. Also you can check this website.
The Indian community in Malaysia is the smallest of the three main ethnic groups, accounting for about 10 percent of the country's population.
The Punjabis (mostly Sikhs) are also substantial in number and the people of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sri Lankan origin are included in the "Indian" category for statistical purposes.
It's questionable why Sri Lankans, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are included in the Indian Category.
Let's go back to the GE12 elections where the Opposition won five states (minus Perak State now).
This was possible because the GE12 was held just after the Hindraf Rally in 2007 and it's the Hindus population of 20 percent which was the deciding factor for the Opposition's win in these states.
This would not have been possible if the Indian population was only 7.3 percent as per then statistics from the Department of Statistics, Malaysia.
From 1960 until 2011, the Malaysia population grew from 17 million to almost 29 million in December 2011.
Ethnic composition (According to Malaysian Government in 2010).
The total population was 28.3 million of which 91.8 per cent were Malaysian citizens and 8.2 per cent were non-citizens. Malaysian citizens consist of the ethnic groups Bumiputera (67.4%), Chinese (24.6%), Indians (7.3%) 2.066 Million and Others (0.7%).
Among the Malaysian citizens, the Malays was the predominant ethnic group in Peninsular Malaysia which constituted 63.1 per cent. The Ibans constituted 30.3 per cent of the total citizens in Sarawak while Kadazan/Dusun made up 24.5 per cent in Sabah.
Islam was the most widely professed religion in Malaysia with the proportion of 61.3 per cent. As a multi-racial nation, other religions embraced were Buddhism (19.8%), Christy John Christobertianity (9.2%) and Hinduism (6.3%). That means according to Malaysian Government there are 1.8 Million Hindus in Malaysia.
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